Info on cones coming soon!

[Kati75]

There's a lot on that in my new book!

[Kati75]

Theses 1: The more denaturated your food, the more does your metabolism try to get rid of harmfuls substances. The number one way out of your body for these substances is your skin, esp. your scalp, esp. the front part above your forehead.
(The author here draws the conclusion that this must have something to do with the typical Western pattern of male hair loss...)
Theses 2: Your body tries to get rid of those harmful substances a.o. via the scalp. What if your scalp is covered by silicone oils? Unlike natural oils, the substances cannot penetrate silicone oils to leave your body and evaporate.
Cones have a high abilty to "crawl" into every little hole in your hairs and they also cover the hair itself - making it look soft and manageable, halthy and shiny. BUT: What goes for your scalp, goes for your skin.
PROOF: Your skin is a regulational organ - just watch it for some months and see how it reacts to medication you take, to colds, to changes of nutrition, to anaesthetics when you had surgery, to pregnancy a.s.o. Your skin will be itchy, drier, oilier... This is a reaction to the good/bad substances your scalp is deposing of - depending on what you eat and how you live.
PROOF: Dermatologists will tell you that people who suffer from pimples and acne almost always have blocked pores on their scalps, too. The body seems to be using the part of skin underneath the scalp to depose of any harmful substances if the scalp pores are blocked - causing the skin on the face go crazy - after having irritated your hair growth nicely.
So not only tell your baby sister to throw out her Clearasil, but her Pantene, too!
I could write so much more, it's not a thin book - but now I know for sure that from this day on I'm on the no-cones side.
It was kind of hard to translate these facts, I hope everything still makes sense. Those of you that speak some German can read for themselves:
Susanne Kehrbusch: Alles klar mit Haut und Haar, at www.amazon.de

[Feye]

Hmm... I bet there are cones in my skin care lotion... :x

Thanks for posting

[Bethany]

Well, you'd probaby expect me to have a lot to say on this topic.

The problems I see with this author's theory:

My understanding is that 'cones generally don't clog pores, whereas vegetable oils (with the exception of jojoba oil) generally do. This would seem to imply that if you're worried about clogged pores, you should stop using conditioners with vegetable oil and start using conditioners with 'cones. At any rate, the pores on your scalp usually have a hair in them. The growing hair does a good job keeping the pore clear all by itself.

I would also note that your own natural oils do a pretty darn good job of clogging pores, too, as a large pimple currently developing on my chin would be happy to testify.

What is the rationale for saying that the toxins can penetrate the vegetable oils, but not 'cones? The 'cones used in hair products are, if anything, less occlusive than veggie oils, rather than more. Now, that's in reference to water vapor rather than toxins, but I can't see without further information why toxins should be different -- especially since the toxins usually come out dissolved in sweat.

I don't have a dry scalp, so I don't use conditioners (or conditioning shampoos) on my scalp. So as far as my scalp is concerned, the ingredients of my conditioner are irrelevant

Just some thoughs from the eternal defender of silicones.

[Sheba]

Veggie oils don't block hair follicles, nor our skin pores (if you're breaking out, it's due to the presence of bacteria). Our follicles come equipped to make sebum, which is very close in composition to most veggie oils, especially jojoba.... the body wouldn't make something that would harm it. Part of the reason for the sebum is the slip it gives to help the hair move out of the follicle. Besides, most veggie oils are liquid at room temperature, so unless you live outside in the Arctic, odds are pretty good the oil won't harden.

Silicone IS toxic to the body... it is not natural and the body isn't equipped to process it. They are starting to put silicones into make-up and other skin products, which is a really bad idea. Women are absorbing tons of silicone without knowing it. I don't like what silicones do to my hair but I'm even more concerned about absorbing them into my skin (through my face or scalp).

I just had a talk on the weekend with a man who used to work for a hair care manufacturer.... I asked him his opinion on cones and he said, "oh, they're great".... I said, "what about for long hair.... especially waist or longer?" He thought for a minute, then the light came on in his face and he said, "oh god, no! They wouldn't be good for long hair at all. The product will build up no matter how much you wash it, or what you use (to clarify) and the hair will starve, split and break off".

Works for me....

Sheba

[RedButterfly]

Thank you for posting that helpful information.

[Carolyn]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I just had a talk on the weekend with a man who used to work for a hair care manufacturer.... I asked him his opinion on cones and he said, "oh, they're great".... I said, "what about for long hair.... especially waist or longer?" He thought for a minute, then the light came on in his face and he said, "oh god, no! They wouldn't be good for long hair at all. The product will build up no matter how much you wash it, or what you use (to clarify) and the hair will starve, split and break off".

Works for me....

Sheba

That's very interesting, Sheba. I've been debating the use of cones myself. I love what some cone products do to my hair but have always thought what if the build up doesn't wash off. Whenever I hear about silicones I think about silicone caulk for windows. That seals out the moisture. I wonder if cones in hair care products work in the same manner.

[Madeleine]

Originally Posted by Carolyn

I've been debating the use of cones myself. I love what some cone products do to my hair but have always thought what if the build up doesn't wash off. Whenever I hear about silicones I think about silicone caulk for windows. That seals out the moisture. I wonder if cones in hair care products work in the same manner.

I don't think you can compare that. Silicone "oils" are essentially liquid plastic. They come in all kinds of different viscosities and solubilities, from volatile, water soluble, gel like consistency to virtually solid. They all have different chemical and physical properties.

Regarding hair - it's dead. Use whatever makes your hair feel good, keeps it from tangling or breaking, that's all you can do anyway. I still don't know what's bad about coated hair as such, as long as it keeps the strands supple and doesn't cause tangles or attracts dust.

I don't know about silicones being absorbed by the skin - this could be a problem, or it could not. I haven't heard about any serious studies regarding that, which doesn't mean that there aren't any.
I tend to use products that make my skin feel nice, and some of them contain silicones. I don't worry about it, but that's me - I'm happy if I find something that works at all, because my skin is super sensitive and picky about products. No room for "natural product" philosophies there, gotta think practical.

[AmandaPanda]

That was very interesting.
Thanks for taking the time to post it

[GoldLady]

Originally Posted by Madeleine

Regarding hair - it's dead. Use whatever makes your hair feel good, keeps it from tangling or breaking, that's all you can do anyway. I still don't know what's bad about coated hair as such, as long as it keeps the strands supple and doesn't cause tangles or attracts dust.

I agree, Madeleine. I believe my hair would not have gotten as long as it has without the use of some silicone in my regimen. My fine hair is very fragile, and I need the protective web or light 'coating' if you will, to help protect it and keep it from tangling. I've been using 'cone's for at least two years and haven't noticed build-up- but I do use them lightly.

It's always interesting to hear opinions and new reports on 'cone's.

[Axium]

I love my cones and like Goldlady, am convinced they're an essential tool for my superfine hair.
One thing your author overlooked is the proper way to apply cones to the hair, according to Don't Go Shopping for Hair Care Products Without Me - one should not apply them on the two inches of hair closest to the scalp.
Like Madeline, I too have some facial lotions loaded with cones which feel luxurious. I'm not afraid of those, either, as I've never had anything but good results, plus I rarely sweat, anyway, and there are tons of other pores to do the cleansing if they need to.
Thanks for posting, and please keep the info coming! This is a great subject!

[Accolady]

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Some use them, some don't.
Some will, some won't.

I do.
I always have.
I always will.

Some say chocolate causes pimples.
Some argue that it doesn't.
I say eat the chocolate and don't worry 'bout it.

Sign me,
A cone user.

[Bethany]

Originally Posted by Madeleine

I don't think you can compare that. Silicone "oils" are essentially liquid plastic. They come in all kinds of different viscosities and solubilities, from volatile, water soluble, gel like consistency to virtually solid. They all have different chemical and physical properties.

Agreed. (Although I'm not sure that silicones are a kind of plastic. I'm not sure, but I think that silicones are... well, silicones. )

"Silicones" covers a huge variety of chemical substances. I think it's something like saying "plastics." Not all plastics have the same chemical properties. Nor do all silicones. My favorite example: I have some silicone mold-making compound that I can use to make molds that can be used to cast peweter. Now, pewter is a fairly low-temperature melt metal, but we're still talking molten metal here. Both the mold and my silicone hair gloss are silicones, but I can't pour molten metal into my silicone hair gloss!

(That said, I think there are some properties that silicones as a group tend to share -- slipperiness, for example. The reason they make such good molds is that they're self-releasing for anything but another silicone.)

[Mariah]

This has nothing to do with this topic, but OH MY GOD ACCOLADY!!! I don't think I've ever seen pics of your hair before!!! WOW! WOW! WOW! It is SOOOOOOO stunning!!!!!! :shock: I am unbelieveably jealous!!!!!

[Hollie]

Karen Marie.......when we get together this summer with Goldlady, you MUST wear your hair down!!! Pretty please??????? I will die if I don't get to see your hair DOWN in peson!!!!