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Lady Snowflake · April 3rd, 2006, 12:20 PM

Hi, all of you who CO! I have a quick question for you that I tried searching out the answer for, to no avail.

I know when you rinse, you rinse your scalp until the water runs clear, that way there is no condish left to build up or make it oily. But do you rinse your length the same way, until there is no product left, or do you leave a bit in?

Whenever I rinse my length out completely, it actually ends up too dry. Like I shampooed and didn't follow with conditioner. Or maybe I didn't slather enough in before I started COing? Or leave it on long enough? Any insight into what I've done wrong?

I appreciate your advice! Thanks!

zift · April 3rd, 2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Snowflake

Hi, all of you who CO! I have a quick question for you that I tried searching out the answer for, to no avail.

I know when you rinse, you rinse your scalp until the water runs clear, that way there is no condish left to build up or make it oily. But do you rinse your length the same way, until there is no product left, or do you leave a bit in?

Whenever I rinse my length out completely, it actually ends up too dry. Like I shampooed and didn't follow with conditioner. Or maybe I didn't slather enough in before I started COing? Or leave it on long enough? Any insight into what I've done wrong?

I appreciate your advice! Thanks!

Hello Lady Snowflake,
I CO a lot but I don't use conditioner on my scalp I apply water only for my scalp and CO my length. I rinse until I detangle which takes ~1 minutes for each half of my hair so I guess there's some coating left when I'm finished and hair's slippery even after towel drying so that I could seperate it for air-drying.. Hmmm I actually never get the dryness from any CO treatment so couldn't be of help there. But it might be that you rinse too much

or leave it on too short??

Carolyn · April 3rd, 2006, 12:37 PM

Are you using a second richer conditioner after the CO "washing" part? I use my cheapie conditioner and slather it all over scalp and length. Then rinse well. Until I don't see many white bubbles. Then I add my second richer conditioner from about ears down the length. I rinse that out very well. Then I use a spray on leave in before I get out of the tub while my hair is still dripping. Wrap in hair towel and I'm good to go. It's taken a while to develop this.

DMARTINEZ · April 3rd, 2006, 03:10 PM

With the first conditioner rinse like the dickens, and I second the
"second " richer conditioner!

Deb

silencepainter · April 3rd, 2006, 03:16 PM

What your describing sounds like what happens to me when I over rinse.

The state I want my hair length in is a little conditioner left. Not enough to really visibly see when I'm rinsing, but enough that I still feel some slip and softness. This is the same state I always wanted when I did a WC routine.

For some other random comments. I don't think leaving a washing conditioner on longer will leave you with softer hair, it will simply clean your hair more.

For me a washing conditioner alone will not give me enough moisture, so I use two conditioners. One for moisture, and one washing. To save time I apply the moisture one first, glob the washing one over it and rinse it all at once.

Ytak · April 3rd, 2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Snowflake

Hi, all of you who CO! I have a quick question for you that I tried searching out the answer for, to no avail.

I know when you rinse, you rinse your scalp until the water runs clear, that way there is no condish left to build up or make it oily. But do you rinse your length the same way, until there is no product left, or do you leave a bit in?

Whenever I rinse my length out completely, it actually ends up too dry. Like I shampooed and didn't follow with conditioner. Or maybe I didn't slather enough in before I started COing? Or leave it on long enough? Any insight into what I've done wrong?

I appreciate your advice! Thanks!

Hey, I am Really Glad you have asked these questions! I've been confused and a little embrassed,too embrassed to ask. Clap!Clap! and Thank You

Lady Snowflake · April 3rd, 2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ytak

Hey, I am Really Glad you have asked these questions! I've been confused and a little embrassed,too embrassed to ask. Clap!Clap! and Thank You

Oh, thank you! I debated posting this for a long time, too, because I was embarassed to ask. Most people ask questions about CO along the lines of "how long to leave in the condish", "how much to massage", etc. And here I'm asking about something as simple as rinsing.

Oh, and I followed your advice Zift and Silencepainter. I rinsed my scalp until I knew it was completely clean, then rinsed my length until I couldn't really see any more "foam" but could still feel that it was a bit slippery. It's still drying in my usual braid, but it feels much better! Thanks!

And if I find it still too dry, I will do what the others said and follow with a richer conditioner or a leave-in when I'm done rinsing.

Thanks everyone!

icydove · April 4th, 2006, 08:57 AM

I do a two-step CO myself. I would like to say leaving the conditioner on longer does make a difference in dryness for my hair. A short CO, even with the 2nd conditioner, can leave my hair on the dry side. A good 45-minute to hour soak during the first step makes my hair really happy. My theory is that it gives more time for the good stuff to soak in

lookingglass · April 4th, 2006, 09:02 AM

I rinse the bomb out of my CO. My hair always feels really clean...squeeky. I don't use a 2nd condish because my hair will still need a good leave in and that is just too much product usage for me!

Lady Snowflake · April 4th, 2006, 09:10 AM

Icydove, I'll have to try leaving the condish on my hair longer next time, just to try it and see if it makes a difference. I've been doing the CG method -only a few tablespoons of 'dish and using it quickly like shampoo-, but I'll use more product and leave it on the LHC way.

I'll try rinsing it out all the way the first time, then leave a bit of product in next time to compare. I'll try following with a leave-in if I need to, as I'd prefer that method if I need extra moisture. I've got lots of experimenting to do!

Lady Snowflake · April 4th, 2006, 09:28 AM

I wanted to ask, too, does leaving the 'dish on your scalp longer help more with scalp problems like itchiness and sebum buildup? Even after scrubbing like mad (either with shampoo or conditioner) I still have that oily-mashed-potatoes buildup. I get itchier when I use shampoo, but haven't yet solved the problem even this CO. I've been wondering if the conditioner will break up the buildup if it's given time to work. Any thoughts?

butterflygyal · April 4th, 2006, 09:54 AM

My scalp has been a little itchy since I started to CO. I rinse my scalp completely and leave some slip on my length. I think I may have some build up or something as well.

My question is, where do I find the methods for CO for CG and for LHC? I can't find it anywhere. I just need to know specifically how to CO, how long to leave on, where to distribute CO, how many times to CO in one wash, how many times a week to CO..any help you can give would be wonderful.

Currently I CO 2x a week. I CO with one 'dish and use on my scalp and length...only massaging my scalp. My first CO I massgae in and then leave under a cap for 5 minutes and then rinse out. I follow with a second CO that I do right quick and rinse completely. Is this right?

silencepainter · April 4th, 2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Snowflake

I wanted to ask, too, does leaving the 'dish on your scalp longer help more with scalp problems like itchiness and sebum buildup? Even after scrubbing like mad (either with shampoo or conditioner) I still have that oily-mashed-potatoes buildup. I get itchier when I use shampoo, but haven't yet solved the problem even this CO. I've been wondering if the conditioner will break up the buildup if it's given time to work. Any thoughts?

I have found I personally don't need to leave CO on my scalp very long to get clean scalp, perhaps ten minutes. I do use more than a few tablespoons on my scalp. I massage big globs into my scalp really well until I can massage my whole scalp and feel the slime. When I tried using less it just didn't work for me.

Icydove - that is interesting that a longer soak really helps your moisture level. To be honest I have never tried a soak that long. I've gone 20 minutes at most and those didn't really make a difference to my normal 10 minutes. I'll have to try going longer some time.

Snowymoon · April 4th, 2006, 11:22 AM

I have the same issue if I rinse the conditioner very well and completely and do not use any as a leave-in. What I usually do is after I have rinsed out the conditioner, I will use a small amount of the same conditioner and just rinse quickly to distribute it, leaving it in. Sometimes I will add a lot, sometimes less. Sometimes my hair likes it when I leave a lot of conditioner in, but it gets dry and tangly if I don't leave some of it in.

I have not had any luck with oils or butters. They weigh my hair down and don't come out so easy (have to use a sulfate shampoo to remove it, it seems). If I use oils repeatedly and do not shampoo them out with sulfates, I end up with dry hair and a lot of breakage. Conditioner, when I have the right conditioner, seems to work better for me.

I only tried rinsing "enough" focusing on my scalp once. It did not seem to work for me. It left my scalp more manky and my ends were still dry.

Athena's Owl · April 4th, 2006, 11:33 AM

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Lookingglass!!!!

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woo, that's some awesome curl!

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now on to CO!

I rinse my CO wash thoroughly and well, concentrating on getting the stuff off my scalp, mostly.

but I do follow up with a second, richer conditioner that is also my detangling phase, and that I don't rinse out quite so thoroughly.