The Long Hair Community - What non-protein or low protein conditioners can you recommend?

Shell · December 5th, 2005, 07:59 PM

Help needed from experts, gurus, and chemists: I am working on a list of non and low protein conditioners, both for COing and for general conditioner needs. I have a few, but am looking to expand my repetoire, and if possible help out a few other protein sensitive types. All price ranges welcome, but I suspect some reasonably priced ones for COing would be especially welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Dulci · December 5th, 2005, 08:48 PM

I like White Rain Extra Body.

Ingredients: Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Ceteareth-20, Behenyl Alcohol, Fragrance, Citric Acid.

I analyzed this in my journal, but here it is in shortened form.

Water

Cetyl Alcohol - Fatty alcohol used as an emollient, emulsifier, thickener, and carrying agent for other ingredients. Can be derived naturally, as in coconut fatty alcohol, or synthetically. It is not an irritant and is not related to SD alcohol or ethyl alcohol.

Dicetyldimonium Chloride - A quaternary ammonium salt. Conditioner. Synthetic compound derived from fatty acids. Antistatic agent / Surfactant / Conditioner.

Phenoxyethanol - Common cosmetic preservative that is considered one of the less irritating ones to use in formulations. It does not release formaldehyde.

Stearyl Alcohol - An emulsion stabilizer; also adds body to a lotion. Fatty alcohol used as an emollient and to help keep the other ingredients intact in a formulation.

Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine - An amidoamine. Conditioner.

Ceteareth-20 - Fatty alcohol that is used to thicken cosmetics and keep ingredients mixed together and stable.

Behenyl Alcohol - A thickening agent used in cosmetics. It is not related to irritating forms of alcohol.

Fragrance

Citric Acid - Derived from citrus and used primarily to adjust the pH of products to prevent them from being too alkaline.

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So, I don't see any protein in there at all, maybe someone else does. It's nice and thin and slippy and easy to rinse away, just like I like it.

Hope this helps!

Shell · December 6th, 2005, 05:46 AM

Dulci,

Wow, thank you! Looks like I'm talking to the right people. I have often wondered what some of those ingredients are. I know a lot of people use White Rain, I will have to go on a hunt however, my store only carries their hair spray, and I don't use that....

Calling all other non-protein condishs.

DMARTINEZ · December 6th, 2005, 08:11 AM

So far White Rain EB is it! Im in CA also and get mine from the 99 cent store!
Its great! Just great!
Deb

Eboshi · December 6th, 2005, 08:14 AM

Shell - are you interested in commercial products only ? There are quite a few threads on this board in which people use their own herbal mixes for conditioning.

Michlow · February 13th, 2006, 11:03 AM

I would also be interested in some good non-protein conditioners. I am most espcially looking for a non-protein, non-cone deep/rich conditioner. Does such a thing exist?

Right now, I stick to mainly white rain extra body, and a few different suave conditioners (Lavender and passion flower off hand, don't have protein).

DMARTINEZ · February 13th, 2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

I would also be interested in some good non-protein conditioners. I am most espcially looking for a non-protein, non-cone deep/rich conditioner. Does such a thing exist?

Right now, I stick to mainly white rain extra body, and a few different suave conditioners (Lavender and passion flower off hand, don't have protein).

I wonder this too? I hear Elucence is rich, but might contain protein.
I dont think a bit of protein is that bad. You really have to search!

Deb

CurlyBrunette · February 15th, 2006, 04:57 AM

My hair is extremely sensitive to protein so I try to avoid it. I dont totally avoid it though. My favorite conditioners are Elucence MBC. Jessicurls Too Shea! & DevaCurl One Condition. Hope this helps Shell.

Shell · February 15th, 2006, 05:53 AM

Thanks everyone for your replies. Elucence has protein (boo--it looks so great!), I have WR EB already, I am not including herbal stuff per se, although I use it. Only commercial stuff for now. I'll check on Too Shea and DevaOne.

The early, not yet ready for prime time, publication is on page #9 of my journal if anyone wants to take a look.

Shell · February 15th, 2006, 05:59 AM

CurlyBrunette,

I was reading your post again, and you said you don't avoid protein entirely. The Elucence has protein, does the regular Deva One have it too? The ingredients aren't listed on the NaturallyCurly Website where I tend to look these products up. I did notice that the ones for different hair colors don't have protein, though they do have cones.

Thanks!

Shell · February 15th, 2006, 06:08 AM

DevaOne checked out as no protein for the conditioners for colored hair (blonde, brown, red); I don't know yet for the regular DevaOne. Both Jessicurl conditioners have Hydrolyzed Oat Flour, which, if I understand it correctly, is a type of protein.

The DevaOne products did have 'cones if that's a concern for you all.

Thanks again everyone, and keep 'em coming!

CurlyBrunette · February 15th, 2006, 10:25 AM

Sorry I didnt get back to you before you found out about the Deva products Shell.
The cones that are in them dont really bother me at all. I think its amiodethicone or something that sounds like that. For some reason it makes my hair feel great. I avoid cyclopentasiloxane which makes my hair tangle and plastic like. Dimethicone doesnt bother me either.
The small amout in the Jessicurl doesnt bother me but I realize after I posted that I rotate all my conditioners. I try to not use them more than a few days in a row without switching them. Now I have to check out your journal!

Camouflage · February 15th, 2006, 03:32 PM

I've been using Aubrey Organics White Camellia Ultra-Smoothing Conditioner. I think it's the only AO conditioner without any proteins/amino acids. BUT, there is a Coconut Fatty Acid base and Wheat Germ oil. They may contain a little protein (not sure though), but I don't seem to get crunchy hair like I usually do with proteins.

Another I use is Mode de Vie Vanilla Shea Butter Conditioner. It smells soo good, very concentrated too. I actually dilute both of these and they are still very, very moisturizing.

Others I've been eyeing on Naturally Curly are Oyin Honey~Hemp Conditioner and Long Lovely Locks Green Tea Hair Gloss.

Here's the ingredients:

AO Conditioner: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, White Camellia Oil, Wheat Germ Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Geranium Oil, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C, and E).

Mode de Vie Vanilla Shea Butter Conditioner: Purified Water, Quaternium 27 Shea Butter, Vanilla Essential Oil, Tropical Tree Extract (Zadirachta Indica).

Only1biancab · February 15th, 2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

I would also be interested in some good non-protein conditioners. I am most espcially looking for a non-protein, non-cone deep/rich conditioner. Does such a thing exist?

Lol, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'll be on the lookout for answers to this one.

Shell · February 15th, 2006, 07:46 PM

Camouflage, Thanks. I added the first two to my list. The Aubrey Organics Rosa Mosqueta does not have protein either. Do the LLL Green Tea and the Oyin condish have protein? I wasn't sure because you didn't list the ingredients. Forgive me, I'm a little slow tonight!

Only1biancab, I can recommend the Aubrey Organics Rosa Mosqueta above, and I also like the Desert Essence Body Boosting Jojoba Conditioner, and Biolage Conditioning Balm. On page #9 of my journal there are some more listed you may like.

Thanks again everyone--the list is really starting to come along!